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	<title>Comments on: Note to famous geographer: people aren&#8217;t cattle</title>
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		<title>By: TMLutas</title>
		<link>http://www.jaredbridges.net/archives/2008/01/02/note-to-famous-geographer-people-arent-cattle/comment-page-1/#comment-106593</link>
		<dc:creator>TMLutas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jared&#039;s piece was embarrassingly illiterate in terms of economics. As the PRC grow richer, they will bid up prices on resources (this is already happening) and if more can be produced, more will be. If more cannot be produced, we will either learn to use the resource more efficiently or current first world countries will simply buy less as their poor will be outbid by the PRC&#039;s (or India&#039;s or any of the up and coming behemoths&#039;) rich and middle class. And that&#039;s ok. Fewer of us will be grossly obese 20 years from now and we&#039;ll have a greater appreciation of what we have. Charity will make a comeback. People will telecommute more and people will live closer to their non-telecommutable jobs. 

What will not happen is a nightmarish global war over resources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jared&#8217;s piece was embarrassingly illiterate in terms of economics. As the PRC grow richer, they will bid up prices on resources (this is already happening) and if more can be produced, more will be. If more cannot be produced, we will either learn to use the resource more efficiently or current first world countries will simply buy less as their poor will be outbid by the PRC&#8217;s (or India&#8217;s or any of the up and coming behemoths&#8217;) rich and middle class. And that&#8217;s ok. Fewer of us will be grossly obese 20 years from now and we&#8217;ll have a greater appreciation of what we have. Charity will make a comeback. People will telecommute more and people will live closer to their non-telecommutable jobs. </p>
<p>What will not happen is a nightmarish global war over resources.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 23:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>His whole premise is wrong. Modern terrorism is a product that has two main components.  Someone dissatisfied enough to do a terrorist act, and that person is seldom poor and uneducated, and money.  You can terrorize your neighbor on the cheap but if you want to make national or international headlines, you will need financing. The europeans had a go round with terrorism in the 70&#039;s but it just melted away with the fall of the Soviet Union, it&#039;s financial backer.  The poor of the third world do not engage in the kind of terrorism that will get noticed here except at the behest of the rich.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His whole premise is wrong. Modern terrorism is a product that has two main components.  Someone dissatisfied enough to do a terrorist act, and that person is seldom poor and uneducated, and money.  You can terrorize your neighbor on the cheap but if you want to make national or international headlines, you will need financing. The europeans had a go round with terrorism in the 70&#8242;s but it just melted away with the fall of the Soviet Union, it&#8217;s financial backer.  The poor of the third world do not engage in the kind of terrorism that will get noticed here except at the behest of the rich.</p>
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		<title>By: Religion &#38; Culture: Spanking Ban, Southern Baptists Versus Culture &#124; Said At Southern Seminary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Religion &#38; Culture: Spanking Ban, Southern Baptists Versus Culture &#124; Said At Southern Seminary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bridges blogs about sustainable growth by engaging Jared Diamond&#8217;s take on the role of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 17:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jared,

Your 100 word quotation contains the only mention of terrorism in Jared Diamond&#039;s 1400-word-long piece. If you want to take a swipe at &#039;militant Islam&#039; or Islam in general, why not just do it? 

I don&#039;t think poverty is the sole cause of terrorism and I doubt if Jared Diamond does either. The 911 guyes were middle-class, etc.If he oversimplified, it was for lack of space or attention: the piece was not about the causes of terrorism. 

I think economics usually does a role in causing war - of which terror is a tactic.  Most people in most cultures won&#039;t fight without a moral justification - though its form can vary greatly with culture and individual. (It is handy and common to have pre-packaged all-purpose moral justifications on the shelf.) But economics, while providing a reason for war, does not usually provide a satisfying moral justification.  If your side fails to find a moral justification to fight, it doesn&#039;t fight - at least not well.If your side doesn&#039;t fight or doesn&#039;t fight well, it might disappear. The worlds peoples are mostly descended from folks that fought if necessary and fought well if they fought at all.

Diamond isn&#039;t saying the big gap between rich and poor is new. He&#039;s saying now is different because now we are bumping up against multiple global limits. The poor simply cannot ever consume what we, the rich, consume today. Not by developing their countries and not by leaving them. In fact, we, the rich, will have to consume less for various reasons. 

He says, &quot;real sacrifice won&#039;t be required.&quot; 

We&#039;ll see. It&#039;s true there are ways we rich can consume less while maintaining living standards. But it doesn&#039;t follow all those who are destined to consume less will be clever or lucky enough to maintain their standard of living.

Ron</description>
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<p>Your 100 word quotation contains the only mention of terrorism in Jared Diamond&#8217;s 1400-word-long piece. If you want to take a swipe at &#8216;militant Islam&#8217; or Islam in general, why not just do it? </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think poverty is the sole cause of terrorism and I doubt if Jared Diamond does either. The 911 guyes were middle-class, etc.If he oversimplified, it was for lack of space or attention: the piece was not about the causes of terrorism. </p>
<p>I think economics usually does a role in causing war &#8211; of which terror is a tactic.  Most people in most cultures won&#8217;t fight without a moral justification &#8211; though its form can vary greatly with culture and individual. (It is handy and common to have pre-packaged all-purpose moral justifications on the shelf.) But economics, while providing a reason for war, does not usually provide a satisfying moral justification.  If your side fails to find a moral justification to fight, it doesn&#8217;t fight &#8211; at least not well.If your side doesn&#8217;t fight or doesn&#8217;t fight well, it might disappear. The worlds peoples are mostly descended from folks that fought if necessary and fought well if they fought at all.</p>
<p>Diamond isn&#8217;t saying the big gap between rich and poor is new. He&#8217;s saying now is different because now we are bumping up against multiple global limits. The poor simply cannot ever consume what we, the rich, consume today. Not by developing their countries and not by leaving them. In fact, we, the rich, will have to consume less for various reasons. </p>
<p>He says, &#8220;real sacrifice won&#8217;t be required.&#8221; </p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see. It&#8217;s true there are ways we rich can consume less while maintaining living standards. But it doesn&#8217;t follow all those who are destined to consume less will be clever or lucky enough to maintain their standard of living.</p>
<p>Ron</p>
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		<title>By: Pseudo-Polymath &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Thursday Highlights</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pseudo-Polymath &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Thursday Highlights</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 14:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] consumption noted. Alas, statistically speaking Mr Collier (The Bottom Billion) finds racial and class differences [...]</description>
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